[Discuss] Real internet provider in Victoria?

brendan brendan at ming.org
Fri Nov 3 12:47:45 PDT 2017

i'm on shaw (their internet 150 service, but i think this should apply 
for most of their service levels). no incoming ports are blocked, but 
port 25 outbound is blocked. i just tested 25,80,443, and 8080 with 
netcat listening on my end and connecting from outside - all worked.

so you could only run an smtp server if you had somewhere else to relay 
through (and then, it'd need to be on a different port). but everything 
else is open, so you should be able to run any other type of service 
with no issue.

shaw's dhcp addresses seem pretty sticky - i generally get the same ip 
back if i release and renew, which would make dyndns or the like a 
little easier to deal with.

in the past i've tried out telus' service, but shaw's routing and 
peering seems to be superior, though it's been a few years since (i 
experienced more packet loss events and generally shittier routes when 
on telus).

shaw's combo modem+wifi devices they pass on can be a mixed bag. i've 
gone through a few of them, with only one of them really meeting my 
needs (the hitel one) - depending on your needs, you . might have to go 
through a few different ones until you find a model that doesn't suck. 
(i think they mostly hand out cisco ones now, but like many cisco 
devices it has broken ethernet port autonegotiation).

shaw installs can be pretty quick these days if your house/apartment is 
already wired to their network - they just ship you a box, you plug it 
in, and they enable you via software. usually they don't need to send 
anyone out to mess with the pole or filters these days.

On 2017-11-02 05:18 PM, Daniel AJ Sokolov wrote:
> Blocking port 80 incoming, meaning you can't run a service yourself on port 80 - which may be a remote access feature, and might have to be port 80 because a lot of public WiFis block most other ports.
> BR
> Daniel AJ
> On 2 November 2017 19:01:51 GMT-04:00, Darren Duncan <darren at darrenduncan.net> wrote:
>> On 2017-11-02 3:20 PM, Daniel AJ Sokolov wrote:
>>> I read that Shaw is blocking ports 25 and 80. What about other ports?
>> Hmm, you raise a good point.
>> A long time ago Shaw plus many other ISPs started blocking their
>> subscribers
> >from accessing port 25 on machines outside the network, in an effort to
>> cut down
>> on spam or hacking.
>> My long-time web/email host Victoria-based BareMetal has had this
>> notice on the
>> front page of their website for years:
>> "Note: Many of the local ISPS are blocking connections to SMTP servers
>> outside
>> of their network. If this affects you (e.g. you're having trouble
>> sending mail),
>> you may need to change your email client to use the MSA port (587)
>> instead of
>> the SMTP port. See http://baremetal.com/support/email_msa.html for more
>> details."
>> As such, I have my email clients (Thunderbird) configured to workaround
>> the
>> block, and things have been fine for years.  Note that BareMetal only
>> allows
>> authenticated computers to send email through it, so they secure
>> themselves
>> against being spam relays.
>> Alternately, one can use port 25 to talk to the email relays Shaw
>> themselves
>> provide, but so far I generally haven't done that.
>> As for blocking port 80, I'd never heard of that, and it wouldn't make
>> sense, as
>> it means we can't access any HTTP servers.
>> -- Darren Duncan
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