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[bctill]

On 2023-04-03 23:38, bctill wrote:
> On 2023-04-03 22:17, BCLUG wrote:
>> bctill wrote on 2023-04-03 15:05:
>> 
>>> I've run across some discussion of the "systemd controversy" and the 
>>> more I read about systemd, the less I like it.  When I read that 
>>> Gnome has systemd dependencies baked in, it became clear that Qt is 
>>> the way to go.
>> 
>> I'm not sure that Qt is a way around systemd, since KDE uses systemd.  
>> I may be confused on that being a requirement though.
>> 
>> 
>> However, take what you read on the internet about systemd with a 
>> massive grain of salt.
>> 
>> There are internet points to be won by complaining about it while 
>> never addressing the core reasons that both RedHat AND Canonical were 
>> working on a replacement for the old SysV init system.
>> 
>> 
>> It seems that much of the doom & gloom hasn't come to pass.
>> 
>> 
>> If systemd is good enough for RedHat, Canonical, AWS, Google, 
>> Facebook, etc. ad nauseam, it's unlikely to fail your use case.
>> 
>> 
>> There has been no exodus to BSD since systemd arrived in the Linux 
>> world. And no major incidents blamed on it.
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, just being a bit of a contrarian to the contrarian views; it 
>> works for me just fine, it's easier to read a unit (.service) file 
>> than any init script.
>> 
>> Plus, it's well supported, and I get rapid updates as the large teams 
>> of maintainers push out, no need to wait for small teams to tackle 
>> whatever workload is involved in running a distro.
>> 
>> 
>> Of course, your requirements are probably not the same as mine, just 
>> throwing my opinion out there, despite it being a highly un-cool one.
>> 
>> 
>> rb
>> 
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> 
> Hi BCLUG --
> 
> I don't doubt that systemd works better than older init systems.  And I 
> don't doubt that it admirably serves the needs of companies like 
> RedHat, Canonical, AWS, Google, Facebook, etc.  And I don't doubt that 
> it works well for your use case, for all the reasons that you outlined.
> 
> But Windows 11 works better than Windows XP in the exact same sense.  
> And that is why I am moving to Linux rather than Windows 11.
> 
> Windows 11 *IS* the spyware.
> 
> And now I find that Canonical is acting more like Microsoft (and 
> Google, Facebook, etc.) with every passing day.  I get the feeling that 
> systemd is a core part of a long-term strategy to enveigle Linux users 
> into a deal they can't refuse.  Just like Microsoft and their gradual 
> transformation of the beautiful Windows XP into the Orwellian Windows 
> 11.
> 
> Canonical has reached into my machine and modified the software, 
> without my permission, at least a dozen times since I started running 
> Ubuntu.  Just like Microsoft.  Any day now, I expect to discover that 
> there is some telemetry in there somewhere that I can't turn off.  Just 
> like Microsoft.
> 
> If I found that sort of conduct acceptable, I would have stuck with 
> Windows.
> 
> I don't think your opinion is un-cool, by the way.  It's just that I am 
> passionate about freedom.
> 
> This is the information age.  There is no freedom without privacy.
> 
> Regards,
> -- Bernie.
> 
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Hi again, BCLUG --

I forgot to add that Devuan is a Debian fork without systemd and offers 
KDE, which is layered on Qt:

https://www.devuan.org/os/

Regards,
-- Bernie.